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ohio-99 Great Otaku


Posts: 51 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 20
 | Subject: The biological impossibility... Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:01 am | |
| At your request: OHIO-99 the biological impossibility is here. Doodler, writer, and dreamer I am. Gamer, Otaku, and Fan I am. Hobbies abound which I follow. Be it money or flesh, mind or bone. All are spent, but not waisted, on my hobbies. I have no clue where I'm goin with this XD Anyway The usual "What are your favorite ______?" question is sure to come up so I'll post it here and now! >  Anime: G Gundam .hack// SIGN Dragon Ball (as well as Dragon Ball Z) Najica Blitz Tactics Da Capo BLEACH Naruto (in small doses) The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Video Games: Brave Fencer Musashi Threads of Fate Super Smash Bros Melee (and yes I am excited for Brawl) Tales of Symphonia Phantasy Star Universe (Xbox 360) Pokémon (Series as a whole but Gold/Silver/Crystal are my favorites) Resident Evil Dino Crisis (1 over 2, while 3 was a huge letdown.) Soul Calibur Oh and by the way I know I'm gonna be kinda flamed for it but: I prefer Dubbing over Subbing. Now if you'll excuse me I need to dodge the swords and other assorted weapons that are flying at me! -OHIO-99 _________________ <Biological... Impossible? Heh if you keep calling what's right infront of you 'impossible' you are truly foolish!> I clenched my fists and pulled them in as I yelled the simple truth: <I exist! Therefor; I am!>
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|  | | lainerz Average Otaku


Posts: 47 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 17 Location: here. where? there.
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:09 pm | |
| D= you got it~~ *brings out the torches* ..but of course... it's your opinion so..... and i bet you've got chased down by plenty polar bears from the north pole already XD welcome to the board ^-^ |
|  | | Haruhi Otaku King


Posts: 110 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 16 Location: 47 Soul Society
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:24 pm | |
| 7.7 Meh, at least we watch the correct version. Dubs tend to change some of the words so they go along with the mouth. Elaine o_O this topic is your favorite anime XD not the welcoming board. I'll list whatever I can 1. Sailor Moon 2. Bleach 3. Nana 4. Mushishi (Dunno if they're in correct format) |
|  | | ohio-99 Great Otaku


Posts: 51 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 20
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:47 pm | |
| Actually it is also the place where new members introduce themselves. Ha ha. And the only "correct version" is the original manga. The original creator usually has little control over both the anime and the dubbing processes... Anime is an adaptation of what is usually a manga, and the team behind the manga usually gets to make all the decisions, such as voices, dialog changes, and whether or not to have filler eps. (Which Fillers are of course made in order to let the original manga produce more chapters.) Also. One of the main reasons I prefer dubbing over subbing is, with subs, they are widely available on the internet for free, by downloading and watching them you have no reason to pay for them, because you already have seen it as well as you know; God forbid you actually buy a DVD that supports dubbing. XD Anyway, by not spending a dime on the anime, you take away from both the dubbing company, and then from the Japanese production company, and in turn from the original creator. XD so the one's killing the anime is not the so-called "Bad English Voice Actors" but the fans who think "This should be free" _________________ <Biological... Impossible? Heh if you keep calling what's right infront of you 'impossible' you are truly foolish!> I clenched my fists and pulled them in as I yelled the simple truth: <I exist! Therefor; I am!>
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|  | | lainerz Average Otaku


Posts: 47 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 17 Location: here. where? there.
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:52 am | |
| ohh.. yes, you got a point there... but what if.. say.. there's a person (not saying it's me or anything..) that is always too broke to support even her textbooks at school?? but y'know, sometimes, their choices for voice actors aren't the best. they made neji (naruto) sound like some fifty year old man w/ some throat congestion of some sort x___x;; Oh, and it's much easier to recognize the eng VAs VAing in other shows. Easiest example would be eng VA of kira(gs/d) VAing in other... non-anime shows like 'storm hawks' and that weird show w/ that giant blue stone guy. It just makes me shudder hearing him in other shows. Not that im trying to make him employmentless XD Compared to the japanese VA, it's much harder to pick out specific seiyus. (So i get really hyped up when reading wiki articles that the seiyu of a good anime VAing for another good anime LOL how childish of me =P) |
|  | | Haruhi Otaku King


Posts: 110 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 16 Location: 47 Soul Society
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:39 am | |
| You both have good points, and I agree with Elaine that maybe some of their choices of voice actors werent so great. Some even mess up the episode listing like with Gundam SEED. I believe it was at least 70 eps and over, but they shortened down to like 50 eps which was the most irritating thing EVER. Also, with FUNimation, I've noticed that they want to DUB all of the opening songs and stuff like with Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu. Dude, the credit should go to Aya Hirano because it was HER who originally sang the song. Another thing with FUNimation is, they mess up or shorten (or put it in the wrong order or don't show) some of the opening and endings. By the way, when I found out that Kagome's seiyu did Yoruichi's voice I was like...OMG!!! THIS IS FRICKEN AWESOME! ^o^ |
|  | | ohio-99 Great Otaku


Posts: 51 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 20
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:57 am | |
| Good points all around. Now I'm not exactly attacking subs. I'll watch a sub if it has little to no chance of being dubbed here (IE Da Capo) Or if the voices are horrid. But mostly if it was edited horribly. For example, 4Kids is one of the worst dubbing companies on the planet they will often take an anime and try to Americanize it. Changing any kanji, and editing out any Japanese references (IE Rice balls, curry, so on and so fourth.) And then try to make it kid-friendly (IE in One Peice they changed machine guns to super soakers... what the hell?) I tend to avoid anything dubbed by 4kids. And yes, I agree there are some voice that don't seem to fit the characters they are given, but at the same time it can be pretty hard to get just the right voice for just the right character. After all in anime characters often jump from emotion. They have to be calmly explaining something one moment and the next they are exploding yelling at the top of their lungs. (Edward Elric anyone?) Not every VA is able to do that. Also there is something I've noticed, I tend to hear alot of the same voices in my dubbed media; for example: Wendee Lee voice of Yourichi, Tatsuki, Haruhi Suzumiya, Faye Valentine. And those are just some of the notable roles I can grab off the top of my head. It seems that most dubbing companies have so few Voice Actors to choose from. Which is why we hear the same voice in different media. And the killer here is actually anime fans who sit around and complain, about how "they could do it better" don't step up and give it a shot. Sure it's not exactly easy to break into a career where experience is key, but people like Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson who I think are the next generation of voice actors in the making. Fans need only stand up and let their voices be heard (littarly) The internet is a huge place, and with sites like Youtube up people can easily set up sound clips, hell even dub a character themselves to show their skills. Maybe I'm just off on a rant of my own, but here's what I think. I plan to make a game. My career is to become a game designer, that's what I'll go to collage for. That's what I'm gonna do. I have joked time and time again, that if I learned Japanese and did the Voice Work for a teaser trailer having OHIO-99 talk in Japanese, that when the game comes out and people hear him (and in turn me) in English they'd still say stupid things like "OHIO-99's Seiyu is better than this chump!" Not sure who uses the word "chump" besides me anymore but still. Anime and game fans tend to be bias towards the Japanese voices. And that even if it's the same person, they would prefer the Japanese dubbing. If people really think it's that bad should work to be come the next generation of voice actors, or work to become the person who chooses voices. There is no excuse for sitting on your ass and cursing dubbing when you could be taking some action to change dubbing for the better. Though petitions (those online at least) are not going to help change anything, you can always try to break in to voice acting on your own, see an English VA at a con? talk to em if you get a chance, tell em you want to become a VA, don't cling to them and beg for favors. just show em your passion, and love for anime and that you want to help make it greater even if it's just with your voice. I feel like I'm ranting on so I'll end this here. Maybe this will make sense to SOMEone XD if it does then my time and words aren't waisted. _________________ <Biological... Impossible? Heh if you keep calling what's right infront of you 'impossible' you are truly foolish!> I clenched my fists and pulled them in as I yelled the simple truth: <I exist! Therefor; I am!>
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Posts: 83 Join date: 2008-01-04 Age: 20 Location: do u really want to kno?
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:09 am | |
| HIGH FIVE!!!!!! im lost........ _________________  "todokanai kimi no aijou todokanai boku no aijou ima mo hora ne... todokanai kimi no koe wa todokanai boku no koe mo ima mo hora... keredo..... " -24ko Cylinders " your unreachable love my unreachable love even now, look at it... your unreachable voice and my unreachable voice even now, look at it... but....." |
|  | | Haruhi Otaku King


Posts: 110 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 16 Location: 47 Soul Society
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:02 am | |
| LOL! None of that would ever change my mind about HORRIBLE, DISGUSTING, ENGLISH DUBBING! WHY step up to be a fricken VA (english) when you can just sub it CORRECTLY and be happy with that??? Wendee Lee did only ONE good voice which was Tatsuki. She sucked at Haruhi, she sucked at Yoruichi and she sucked at Faye Valentine. If you have noticed, 3 out of those 4 characters are my favorites. |
|  | | Momo Otaku King


Posts: 157 Join date: 2008-01-09 Age: 16 Location: Soul Society
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:41 am | |
| I like subs cuz it's the original. I don't like dubs. Dubs change things, pronounce names/attacks/foods funny, and only some actually sound like the original characters' seiyuu voices. I'm not blaming the english dub VAs, I'm just saying that it would be better if animes were subbed instead. _________________  Psh, HitsuHina's canon. HitsuMatsu and HitsuKarin ARE NOT. Got that? ^^ Good. Deidara and Sasori are canon! <333 |
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Posts: 83 Join date: 2008-01-04 Age: 20 Location: do u really want to kno?
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:40 am | |
| ye....dubs are soft........they make the asian characters in anime sound so white XD. no offense to whoever is white in this forum XD _________________  "todokanai kimi no aijou todokanai boku no aijou ima mo hora ne... todokanai kimi no koe wa todokanai boku no koe mo ima mo hora... keredo..... " -24ko Cylinders " your unreachable love my unreachable love even now, look at it... your unreachable voice and my unreachable voice even now, look at it... but....." |
|  | | ohio-99 Great Otaku


Posts: 51 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 20
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:43 am | |
| | Haruhi wrote: | | LOL! None of that would ever change my mind about HORRIBLE, DISGUSTING, ENGLISH DUBBING! WHY step up to be a fricken VA (english) when you can just sub it CORRECTLY and be happy with that??? Wendee Lee did only ONE good voice which was Tatsuki. She sucked at Haruhi, she sucked at Yoruichi and she sucked at Faye Valentine. If you have noticed, 3 out of those 4 characters are my favorites. |
Closed minded much?
Frankly from what I've heard she isn't doing a bad job with Yourichi. (In fact the BLEACH dub doesn't get enough credit.)
Unless Japanese is your first language, or unless you speak/listen to it fluently, you will NEVER get the full experience of any Japanese originated anime. The subs that you watch are FAN translated. Meaning that they too can, might, and likely change shit around to make it all fit.
| Quote: | | I like subs cuz it's the original. I don't like dubs. Dubs change things, pronounce names/attacks/foods funny, and only some actually sound like the original characters' seiyuu voices. I'm not blaming the english dub VAs, I'm just saying that it would be better if animes were subbed instead. |
OK... the "it's the original" excuse is played too much. =/ No offense or anything but admit it guys, each and every time a Sub VS Dub debate comes up that excuse is played. In very few cases does an anime come out before the manga: Unless it's an Anime first, Manga second. The "Original" of which you speak uses NO voices. Aside from those in your head, in which are purely design, and opinion based.
As for pronouncing names, attacks, and foods. Names and attacks can be a bit tricky. More-so when on paper. I noticed that BLEACH actually tries, alot harder than most other animes, and even sometimes they woln't get it exactly right (and thus people bitch at it.) Though it will never be 'exactly' the way you want it to be, dawning a Japanese accent randomly in an otherwise English sentence would just look/sound retarded.
Also, ever see one of those old Japanese/Chinese Kung Fu movies? Where they dub it? Even if it's done correctly, (IE direct translation.) it looks dumb, why? Lip sync. Dubs don't usually change anything other than a few words during keep close up lip sync, or change a sentence a little. It may not be fan subbed word-for-word like you want. but it's better than getting shitty looking: "You will not kill my father!" *lips keep moving*
| Quote: | | ye....dubs are soft........they make the asian characters in anime sound so white XD. no offense to whoever is white in this forum XD |
Hmm... And because technically every character is asian (unless it's a Japan stereotype American, in which they are usually exceedingly dumb.) I suppose giving EVERY character a VA with a Japanese accent would be best? America, Canada, the U.K. it doesn't matter where, white people will always sound like white people.
So, complain, complain, complain. Hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE. <_< You all think you know how to do it better? then show the "stupid, horrible, disgusting, VA's" how it's done. _________________ <Biological... Impossible? Heh if you keep calling what's right infront of you 'impossible' you are truly foolish!> I clenched my fists and pulled them in as I yelled the simple truth: <I exist! Therefor; I am!>
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|  | | Haruhi Otaku King


Posts: 110 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 16 Location: 47 Soul Society
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:42 pm | |
| I will Ohio, don't worry. I think anime shouldn't be dubbed at all. Infact, when they dubbed Bleach, they shouldn't have aimed it for a fricken younger audience. UNLIKE DEATH NOTE - WHICH WAS DUBBED FRICKEN AWESOME, they used "Death god" ONCE and explained what it meant and then they started using the word Shinigami. UNLIKE other VA's they have CORRECT pronounciation, they don't change anything and they leave the anime of how it was meant to be. Like, "Kira", it's not pronounced "KEIRA" it's "Ki-ra" - short. And Hitsuguya on Bleach always ends up calling Hinamori, Momo, when he doesn't do that all the time. >O The dubbing companies (other than the one that dubbed Death Note) should learn to leave things the way they were meant to be and give just an explanation at the beginning. If people miss that episode, well too-f*******-bad. By the way, subs aren't always wrong because they word things word-to-word. They either translate it correctly, or translate it too much like they did with Inuyasha. Example: Sesshomaru - they translated it to "The Killing Pill" |
|  | | ohio-99 Great Otaku


Posts: 51 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 20
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:33 pm | |
| XD I find it funny. "I think anime shouldn't be dubbed at all." Yet in the same post you praise a dub. BLEACH wasn't aimed at a younger audience. If ya had half a brain you coulda seen that. Or does the "Get struck once with a sword, and explode into blood" not give it away? XD Unless they like dubbed it differently in Canada and edited it there too. If that's the case your anger towards that particular dub is more or less accepted. Atleast the DVD's should remain uncut, and uncensored. But having watched all the eps (illegally) you have no reason to spend money on those. =/ From my comparisons of the eps I watched, aside from the so-called major name change (Shinigami=Soul Reaper) and a few word changes to save lip sync. It is accurate. (Voice selection is all a matter of opinion. So don't give me that shit. XD) There are two reasons I like anime being dubbed. First off I find that I enjoy anime more when I can hear words and understand them rather than having to read subtitles. And second is the more important as well as longer. My brother, and I used to watch Dragon Ball Z, back when the Sayian Saga was still on, and thus there was more action than powering up/filler eps. Aside from that the two of us had nothing in common, infact unless we were talking specifically about Dragon Ball Z our conversations didn't last more then a greeting and a good-bye. Recently my mother got her kids together. While I was flipping though my sketch book, Ray (my bro) stopped me on a page: "Woah what was that?" Flipping back to the page in question, it was the picture of OHIO-99 as a soul reaper. With Ichigo down in the corner giving him a weird look. After a moment Ray said: "That looks like, uhh... Ichigo! Yeah from Bleach. So you watch that huh?" Next thing I know I had something to talk to him about. To me, dub isn't just English voices slapped on Japanese art. If it weren't for dubbing honestly I would likely hate my brother, as the two of us are just too different. However thanks to Dragon Ball Z, and Bleach being dubbed (By brother hates anything subtitled "If I wanted to read something I'd get a fucking book" As he'd say.) We can at least stand each other. _________________ <Biological... Impossible? Heh if you keep calling what's right infront of you 'impossible' you are truly foolish!> I clenched my fists and pulled them in as I yelled the simple truth: <I exist! Therefor; I am!>
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|  | | Haruhi Otaku King


Posts: 110 Join date: 2008-01-06 Age: 16 Location: 47 Soul Society
 | Subject: Re: The biological impossibility... Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:02 pm | |
| If you're just gonna swear and stuff, at least censor it out 7.7. And I guess I don't have a brain, thank you very much. I never said the voice accuracy wasn't right. I just said some words they had to change because they had to fit it in with the mouth. If you're just going to explode on people you might as well not post, because it seems like you're directing your posts to people. If you have noticed our posts above, we have never said anything to you like, "If you had half a brain". We were just talking about the subs and dubs. We didn't want to start a fight, but I guess we did so yea. If you should know now, I am kinda mad. |
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